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Satanism and Atheism (Satanists ARE Atheists)
February 25, 2024

Atheism and Satanism. A topic that should be simple enough to understand, but all too often gets mangled by people who don’t understand what one or both of the words mean. Get ready. It’s time for a Satansplain.

 

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Welcome to Satansplain. I am your host, Magister Bill M.

You know, there are some topics that come up again and again in Satanism, sometimes not only by the non-Satanists, but by Satanists themselves, too. And no matter how many times we try answering the topic, the questions keep coming up. Most often they keep coming up by people who, like most humans, are just intellectually lazy and don’t want to read up on the answers we’ve given millions of times. Other times though you’ll find people who THINK they understand, and then try to explain it, only to make the topic more confusing.

 

One of these topics is concerning atheism, and Satanism.

Now, if people really understood what those two terms mean, then I could end this show in about 30 seconds. Atheism means not having any belief in the existence of deity. Satanism is a religion that doesn’t believe in deities. Therefore, Satanists are atheists.  There, done. Thanks for listening.

Unfortunately, no. There are people who don’t really understand what I just said or raise objections to it. And like I said, some people give their own explanations which *I* would have some disagreements with.
Church of Satan Magister Nemo, for example, wrote an article on this topic a while back.  You can find it on the official Church of Satan website. That article is called “Simplifying Satanic Atheism”, and subtitled “My View”.
Personally though, I’ve always had some disagreements with what he wrote, or at least how he wrote it.

Now before I go any further, let me be clear: this episode isn’t some kind of attack on Magister Nemo. I have KNOWN Magister Nemo for a number of years. We’ve met in person a few times. We get along fine. We have respect for each other’s work. We DO have some big DISAGREEMENTS on some things. But even then, they’re not disagreements with Satanism itself.  We’re both Magisters in the Church of Satan. We’re both SatanISTS. We are both in agreement with the fundamental principles of Satanism, as summarized in The Satanic Bible.
One of the reasons I mention all of this -- and this is just a point I want to make before we get into today’s topic --  
There seems to be this catch-22 that I’ve seen some idiots try to put on the Church of Satan. If somebody like Magister and Nemo and I agree on something, and we say “Yes, this thing is part of Satanism, but this other you’re talking about, we would say is NOT Satanism”, then somebody whines, “Oh, you guys are a cult. You’re not allowed to disagree on anything.” But when we DO have disagreements on something, like politics for example, or whether there is any truth to this story about an allegedly haunted house, or whether this thing this celebrity in the news did was philosophically Satanic or not…when that happens, then somebody jeers, “Ooh, there’s a SCHISM in the Church of Satan”, or “Ooh, then you should accept MY version of Satanism too, which is based on worshiping the Pazuzu as a literal being and sacrificing animals to him.”
So there’s no winning either way with idiots like that. I realize that. We’re not a cult, but at the same time this isn’t a religion where anything goes.

So for the REST of you, who UNDERSTAND that. Who HAVE an IQ in the triple digits, let’s continue.

 

Magister Nemo does say right in the essay that what he wrote was HIS view. So in this episode of Satansplain I’m going to give you MY view on atheism and Satanism.  What I’m going to do is talk through an essay of my OWN that I’ve had in the works for a while.  Some of this may materialize as a new section of the Church of Satan dot com FAQ, namely a section for atheists. Reverend Jared Mammon and I were working on one a while back. It may get put on the site soon. We’ll see.


Here is my essay, the working title of which is, “On the COMPLICATION of Atheism”.


[or, COMPLICATING SATANIC ATHEISM]

 

Even if one has not picked up and read The Satanic Bible, a simple bit of research on the basics of the Church of Satan and Satanism quickly reveals that Satanism is a strictly non-theistic religion that views Satan only as a metaphor.  As Satanists don’t believe in deities, this means Satanists are atheists.

This should be simple enough to understand.  Alas, the same tiresome questions and inaccurate statements keep appearing on this topic.

[And I have categorized these questions and statements into three categories. Those categories are: Lunatic Lines, Loaded Lines, and Lost Lines. As you can imagine, these are the lines that I hear from lunatics like the QAnon believers, lines that AREN’T from lunatics but ARE from atheists and usually trolls, and finally the third category are lines that I hear from Satanists who perhaps understand Satanism but don’t understand what we mean when we say that Satanists are atheists.]

 

Lunatic Lines

 

In extreme cases, I’ll see claims like the following, namely from either hardcore Christians or conspiracy theorists (often one and the same):

  • “You’re not really atheists, because I know you secretly believe God exists. In fact, to deny God is to presume he exists!”

  • “Atheists do not truly exist, because everybody worships something, whether it’s God, money, the state, or something else.”

  • “Sure, the Church of Satan may SAY they’re atheist, but that is just a front. When you reach the upper ranks of these Satanic groups, you find that they’re secretly illuminati devil worshipers.”

 

Accusations such as the ones above are so intellectually bankrupt and have been debunked so many times that I’m almost reluctant to give them any attention here at all. But let me get this over with so we can move on.

 

The first accusation, that atheists somehow secretly “know” that God exists, is just silly. If I’m unconvinced that a certain something exists, then I don’t believe in its existence. Furthermore, the “you secretly believe” accusation is no more convincing than saying a person who insists Santa Claus or Superman is fictional is likewise a secret believer who is in denial. The only reason we have an established term for somebody who doesn’t believe in the existence of God (“atheist”), and not one for somebody who doesn’t believe in the existence of Superman, is because we don’t see zealots for the latter. We are never approached for example by people making Lex Luthor will torture us if we don’t create a life around praise of Superman. Regarding the accusation of “everyone worships something”, this confusingly stretches the meaning of “worship” to include attention to things which even many God-believers may value as much as the average atheist.

Finally, there is the accusation of, “The atheism thing is just a front!  These Satanists are secretly Illuminati devil worshipers when you get into the upper ranks!” Clearly, the people who believe this haven’t thought it through, as it begs so many questions. If the Church of Satan really wants devil worshipers, then how come devil worshipers who approach the organization are always turned away, while so many atheist applicants are let in?  Why would the Church of Satan have spent the last 50-plus years reaffirming Satanism’s non-theistic worldview in so many books, articles, and interviews?  Can we sincerely imagine a high-ranking, devout member of an ideological organization, Satanic or otherwise, being told to suddenly stop believing in what they deeply believe and instead start believing the opposite, without protest?  For that matter, if Satanism is a “front” to hide devil worshipers from the public view, then who would think that names such as “Satanism” and “The Church of Satan” to be an effective disguise?  Just a little bit of thinking reveals that these accusations make no sense.  Of course, if conspiracy theorists were capable of critical thought at all, they probably wouldn’t be conspiracy theorists in the first place. 


[So with THAT all out of the way, let’s move on to the LESS lunatic lines I hear about Satanism versus atheism.]

Loaded Lines and Lost Lines

 

Much more often however, I see loaded questions and claims like the following:

  • “How can you Satanists call yourselves atheists if you believe in Satan?”

  • [or…]

  • “Well the Church of Satan doesn’t believe in Satan, but there are other types of Satanists who do are Satan worshipers.”

  • “If you’re atheists, then you should just call yourselves atheists instead of Satanists.”

  • “How can you have a religion without deities?”

  • “Satanism is a type of atheism.”

  • “Satanism is just atheism with extra steps.”

  • “How can you be an atheist if you believe in magick?”


Finally, I’ve even seen some Satanists (or at least people calling themselves such, justifiably or not) say things which may indicate a misunderstanding of this topic:

  • “Well I’m a Satanist but I’m not an atheist, because to be an atheist you have to believe with absolute certainty that God doesn’t exist. I’m really an agnostic.”

  • “I’m a Satanist, but that makes me an I-theist, which means I am not an atheist. The ‘God’ I believe in is me.”

  • “Anton LaVey really believed in a literal Satan as a deity. The Church of Satan changed everything to atheism.”

  • “Anton LaVey was a deist and The Satanic Bible teaches deism, then after he died the Church of Satan threw that out and started teaching atheism.”


A common theme seen across all three of these categories is a misunderstanding of not only Satanism, but atheism as well. So before we go any further, let’s at least establish a working definition of the word “atheism”.  Many atheists reading this article may already be all too familiar with the descriptions that follow. But for the sake of clarity, here we go:

What Atheism Is

 

Atheism is most often described as “the absence of a belief in deity”. The word means not having a belief in the existence of God nor other gods. That’s all it describes. Stated another way, if you do not believe in the existence of something you’d call a deity, then you’re an atheist.  

 

The meaning of the word “atheism” becomes more obvious when you break down the word itself into its prefix, root, and suffix. The prefix “a” means “without”. The “T-H-E” in the middle of the word is derived from the Greek “theos”, meaning a god or goddess. And finally the suffix “ism” denotes a belief, practice, or essence of something. So “atheism” is literally “without deity belief”.

Likewise, we have the word theism which means “belief in a deity”. Other prefixes we could add to this are “mono” to get monotheism, which means belief in one deity, or for example “poly” to get polytheism, which means belief in multiple deities.



What Atheism Is Not

 

First of all, note that the antonym of the word atheism is theism. It is not “religion”. The words atheism and theism each address one and only one issue: belief in the existence of deity.  Saying “I’m an atheist” or “I’m a theist” tells you nothing more about a person than whether or not they believe in any deities. Neither word tells you anything about that person’s general view of religion, their view of science, whether or not they have belief in other supernatural notions such as an afterlife or auras, how skeptical of a thinker they are, what ethics code they may follow, their political views, economic views, nor other personal convictions. Again, when somebody says “I am atheist”, the only thing you can really conclude is that the person doesn’t believe in any deities. 

 

Note that atheism is not a religion. Atheists may be quick to point this out, but many times for the wrong reasons. The reason why atheism isn’t a religion is the same reason why theism isn’t a religion either: these terms only describe where one stands on the issue of deity exists. You need a lot more than once stance on one issue to define an entire belief system.

 

One particularly annoying phrase I keep hearing is, “Calling atheism a religion is like saying ‘bald’ is a hair color!”  This is a bad analogy, as it presumes that atheism means the absence of religion.  Again, what atheism means is simply not having a belief in the existence of any deities.  There are plenty of people who don’t happen to subscribe to any particular religion, but would say that they believe in God and thus definitely aren’t atheists.  There are also some atheists who also happen to practice a non-theistic religion, and thus can’t be described as having no religion. The topic of non-theistic religions, of which Satanism is just one example, will be discussed in more detail later.

 

Another popular mistake is to think that “atheism” must strictly mean an assertive, disbelief in deity.  That is, claiming as fact that God does not exist.  Very few people would be atheist by this definition. As stated earlier, atheism by definition means simply not having a belief in a deity, not necessarily asserting that deities don’t exist.  Some people make the mistake of conflating these two concepts, but there is a difference between rejecting the claim “X is true” and making the claim “X is false”. For example, if I receive a letter in the mail claiming I can become a millionaire if I just invest a little money in the sender’s special stock system, then being unconvinced that their offer is legitimate is not the same thing as claiming with certainty that it’s a total hoax. 


The outright assertion that gods don’t exist is often referred to as “antitheism”, using the prefix “anti” to mean “against”. Earlier sources may refer to it as “strong atheism” or “gnostic atheism”.  Of course, such antitheists would still be atheists by definition. After all, they don’t believe in deities. But certainly not all atheists are antitheists.

 

The Myth of the Agnosticism Escape Clause


Likewise, many people who incorrectly believe that “atheism” can only refer to this antitheism, also incorrectly think that “agnosticism” represents some sort of half-way point or third alternative to theism and atheism.  They may therefore argue that since one can’t be 100% certain of God’s existence or non-existence, that rejection of both extremes is the only intellectually honest position, and identify themselves as “agnostics”.  The reality is that belief in deity is a binary position: either you believe in the existence of something that you’d consider to be a deity, or you do not hold such a belief.  Even if a person claims “I don’t know whether or not God exists” or “I can’t tell you whether or not God exists, because I haven’t gotten a good definition of ‘God’ yet”, this still implies that the existence of a deity is not something that they believe.  This still makes them atheists, not theists.  Agnosticism cannot therefore be some sort of third option.

The term “agnosticism” was first coined by T.H. Huxley in the 19th century, and in short it’s the claim that the existence of nature and deity is unknown and unknowable (“agnostic” = “a” + “gnosis” = “without” “knowledge”).  Remember that theism and atheism address belief, not knowledge.  As agnosticism addresses knowledge, not belief, agnosticism is not mutually exclusive with atheism.  A person who does not believe in a deity (atheism), but additionally does not claim to know for certainty that deities don’t exist (agnosticism), would be appropriately described as an “agnostic atheist”.  This is why one of the aforementioned synonyms of an antitheist (an atheist who additionally makes the assertive claim that gods do not exist) is “gnostic atheist”.  Likewise, a person who believes in a deity but asserts that he or she can’t know for sure that said deity exists is an “agnostic theist”, and finally somebody who claims to know that God exists would be a “gnostic theist”.  When you hear somebody say simply, “I’m an agnostic”, what it typically means is, “I’m an atheist with a vocabulary problem.”


One final note about agnosticism and gnosticism: the “gnosticism” (lowercase “g”) in this context should not be confused with “Gnosticism” (capital “G”).  The latter refers to a particular set of religious beliefs from the first century C.E., rooted largely in a number of Judeo-Christian beliefs, details of which are well beyond the scope of this article. Again, this other use of the word “Gnostic” is obviously not what is meant when we’re talking about terms like “gnostic-theist” and “gnostic-atheist”.

Besides agnosticism, there are other “isms” which sometimes get misused as an attempt to avoid the labels of “atheist” or “theist”. For example, I have seen some people claim to be neither theist nor atheist, but instead “apatheist”, which means they either don’t care one way or another about the God question, or believe that nobody can come up with a good enough definition to let them know whether they believe or reject the idea. But again, this means they currently do not hold a belief in anything that they’d consider to be a deity, thus they are still atheists by definition. There are also other “ism” for beliefs about God that do not match the traditional western view of God as a personal god, such as pantheism or deism.  But as these are different ways to believe in the existence of a deity, they still fall into the category of theism.

 

Satanism’s Answer to “The God Question”

The concept of deity is obviously a central topic to most religions. So when learning about any particular religion, it is common to first ask how that religion views “God”, for lack of a better term. Does this religion believe only one god to exist, or many? Or does it simply not address the issue at all, finding it not important? If the religion says a god or gods exist, In what sense is he (or she, or it, or they) said to “exist”, exactly?  Does the religion have sacred writings describing what this god allegedly did, what he’s like, or what he wants? Is this god described as having a sort of reasoned way of thinking, not unlike humans? What sort of role does he play in human affairs? Or did he just create the universe and then leave us to our own devices? Are there rewards for obeying this deity?  Any consequences for not?

The Satanic Bible wastes little time addressing the whole “God” topic, addressing it head-on in the first two chapters of the book’s philosophical section, The Book of Lucifer. The first two chapters of this section are respectively titled “Wanted: God — Dead or Alive” and “The God You Save May Be Yourself”.  

 

The first of these chapters points out how the interpretations and claims about “God” have been ridiculously varied throughout different times and different cultures, with some descriptions even being self-contradictory. On the more abstract side, “God” is just a personification some humans slap on notions such as fate, existence, love, consciousness, or the perceived forces of nature. But whether people choose to call selected life events “acts of God”, “the hand of fate”, or by no name at all (read: atheism), the question is wholly irrelevant to Satanism. As the book explicitly states, “Man has always created his gods, rather than his gods creating him.”  Furthermore,“The Satanist realizes that man, and the action and reaction of the universe, are responsible for everything, and doesn’t mislead himself into thinking that someone cares.”

 

Satanists however cast a skeptical view on people who, despite understandably rejecting the supernatural claims of Christianity and other spiritual religions, still try to retain the religion’s other dogma. The given example is the notion of “Christian Atheists” (atheists who pride themselves on practicing “Christ-like” behavior), which despite being an oxymoron was still the name of a movement at the time. As for what Satanists do in fact believe and practice when it comes to ethics, that topic is addressed in later chapters.

The second chapter then takes all of this to the philosophically Satanic conclusion of realizing that there is no carnal versus spiritual world, but rather only the carnal, and it is our own biological brains which have allowed us to create concepts such as “gods” or “spirituality” in the first place. The Satanist views oneself as the one who matters the most at the end of the day, and the one most responsible for how his or her own life turns out. In this sense, the true “god” of the Satanist is the self: the one whom the Satanist serves. Again, it is understood this is not belief in an actual supernatural god, but calling ourselves our own gods in the aforementioned metaphorical sense.

Satanism’s Answer to “The Satan Question”

 

If the first two chapters of The Satanic Bible’s Book of Lucifer can be thought of as addressing “The God Question”, the third and fourth chapters may be thought of as addressing “The Satan Question”. Namely, a look at the various depictions of Satan, hell, and assorted “evil” entities from mythology, how we Satanists repurpose them, and why. 

 

The third chapter, “Some Evidence of a New Satanic Age”, explores the history of how religions have traditionally used the concept of sin to shame and control people, particularly in branding certain behaviors which extend from natural animal instinct as “sins”. The chapter also goes on to point out the hypocrisy in those religions having to now go back on their own dogma under the rationalization that they have to “keep with the times” in order to keep their congregants, as well as the person who identifies with some particular religion without really believing much of what it teaches. If Satan is humanity’s established personification of concepts like indulgence, rational self-interest, skepticism, and the so-called Seven Deadly Sins, then we can just adopt the most brutally honest and apt name for such a philosophy: Satanism.

Occasionally I will see somebody who stumbles into a conversation about Satanism, doesn’t bother to research anything about the topic, but still asks for the reasons for the name. Or upon finding out that Satanism doesn’t match their own misconceptions of what they thought it was, tell us that we should simply change our religion’s name to something else. To quote a meme I created for such occasions, “Sure thing, random Internet person. We’ll get right on that.”  These sorts of questions are answered in this very same chapter of the book.

LaVey points out that the name suggestion of “humanism” for example doesn’t work, as “Humanism is not a religion. It is simply a way of life with no ceremony or dogma. Satanism has both ceremony and dogma.” These two components are often what define and distinguish a religion from a philosophy. Another alternative suggestion is to use some sort of “name that would have the connotation of a witchcraft group, something a little more esoteric — something less blatant.” LaVey then addresses such ritual-practicing occult groups, which Satanism often gets lumped in with and compared to. This also includes “white witchcraft” groups who want to indulge in the esoteric and macabre nature of occultism while simultaneously wanting to come off as a righteous do-gooder. But occultism or no occultism, as explained in the book, you cannot be a Satanist if you “cannot divorce yourself from hypocritical self-deceit”. In short, if you say you agree with the philosophy but still have a hang-up on the name, either from perhaps a feeling of self-righteousness or the need for wide social approval, then you may not be really in tune with this Satanic philosophy after all. 

 

The next questions answered in this chapter are, “...but why even have a religion in the first place if all you do is what comes naturally, anyway? Why not just do it?” Thanks to scientific discovery, we no longer have to rely on supernatural religious answers to explain things like the weather or illness. This extends to psychiatry, which has given us a great insight into why we humans act and think the way that we do in all sorts of different situations. There is however a catch to all of this. As explained, “It is one thing to accept something intellectually, but to accept the same thing emotionally is an entirely different matter.” An example of this I’ve seen is the occasional Christian-turned-atheist who, despite intellectually understanding why the Holy Bible makes no logical sense, still sometimes fears going to hell due to years of religious indoctrination. Such ideological programming unfortunately rarely ever gets rationalized away overnight. Conversely, a solid intellectual argument against a religious zealot or conspiracy theorist rarely changes minds, as such people usually have a heavy emotional investment in an idea.

As the book continues, “The one need that psychiatry cannot fill is man's inherent need for emotionalizing through dogma. Man needs ceremony and ritual, fantasy and enchantment. Psychiatry, despite all the good it has done, has robbed man of wonder and fantasy which religion, in the past, has provided. Satanism, realizing the current needs of man, fills the large gray void between religion and psychiatry. The Satanic philosophy COMBINES the fundamentals of psychology AND good, honest emotionalizing, or dogma. It provides man with his much needed fantasy. There is nothing wrong with dogma, provided it is not based on ideas and actions which go completely against human nature.” Also, as mentioned in the chapter prior to this one, if spiritual religions can use ritual and ceremony as devices to sustain a person’s faith in a lie, then they can also be used to sustain an emotional grounding in the truth.

The fourth chapter, “Hell, The Devil and How To Sell Your Soul”, takes this a step further by having a look first at various past depictions of Satan and hell, how they’ve changed over the centuries, and how religion have used these concepts and other scapegoats as a means of manipulation and control. There is also an extensive list of similarly “evil” entities from various world mythologies (again, all creations of the human imagination), showing that the underlying concepts embraced in Satanism are hardly limited to what Christianity condemned. Old tales such as the idea that a Satanist must sell his soul or sign a pact are easily dismissed. The chapter ends on the amusingly poetic note that when we take the unfounded accusations of “evil” against us and turn them around, we “live”.

[We’re going to take a short break right now. When we get back, we’re going to look at each and every one of those example questions I gave at the beginning of the show. You are listening to Satansplain.]

 

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Let’s continue now with the essay, On the complication of atheism
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The Answers

So with the meaning of atheism now thoroughly explained, along with an overview of how Satanism addresses the concept of deity, let’s get back to the rest of those questions and statements listed earlier:

 

“How can you Satanists call yourselves atheists if you believe in Satan?”

 

The answer of course is that Satanists do not believe in Satan as a deity.  We use Satan strictly as a metaphor.  This is true even when using Satan in a ceremonial context or saying “Hail Satan!”  As The Satanic Bible states, humans invented gods, rather than the other way around.  Even when a Satanist says, “I am my own god”, this is just symbolic language to mean “I am the one whom I serve; I am the one ultimately responsible for what happens in my life”, and obviously does not mean “I am a supernatural deity”. So as we do not believe in any actual deities, we are atheists by definition. [Though I’m sure there will be idiots out there who see the title of this Satansplain episode, don’t bother to listen to it, and say, “Oh I can explain this. We atheists don’t believe in God or Satan or any OTHER gods, but Satanists do because they worship Satan.” In which case I’ll say, “Wrong. Listen to the episode, you moron.”]


“Well the Church of Satan doesn’t believe in Satan, but there are other types of Satanists who do are Satan worshipers.”

 

Devil worshipers are devil worshipers, not Satanists. Non-Satanists may see these various groups of people labeling themselves as “Satanists” (or in some cases, being labeled as such by Christians or the media) and conclude that these are all simply different denominations of the same religion. This however is incorrect.

The reasons why Protestantism and Catholicism for example are considered two different denominations of the same religion (Christianity), and not two different religions, is because they still ultimately share the same theological origins, the same main scriptures, and the same core beliefs which distinguish Christianity from the other religions of the world. The same simply cannot be said about the dozens of largely unrelated groups mislabeled as “Satanists”, as closer examination shows they are too theologically dissimilar and conflict on fundamental beliefs to be considered sects of the same religion. They are not people who for example just have “different interpretations” of The Satanic Bible; they are people practicing fundamentally different belief systems.

As there is no evidence of an actual codified religion calling itself “Satanism” until the establishment of the Church of Satan in 1966, we see no justifiable reason to misuse the same label of “Satanism” to describe some unrelated and fundamentally different belief system. And as Satanism as established by the Church of Satan is a non-theistic religion, it stands that Satanists are atheists.

 

“If you’re atheists, then you should just call yourselves atheists, not Satanists. Right?”

 

This is rather like telling Christian, Muslims, and Jews that they should drop their respective labels and all just call themselves “monotheists”.  The terms atheism, monotheism, and polytheism only tell you if a person believes in zero, one, or more than one deity.  That’s all.  There’s much more to a religion than how many deities it purports to include.  Additional components of a religion typically include a set of particular philosophical convictions, code of ethics, grand worldviews such as humanity’s supposed role in the universe, symbolism, and ceremony. As atheism merely describes one aspect of Satanism (the fact that we don’t believe in deities), and a person can most certainly be an atheist without being a Satanist, the word “atheism” is not a sufficiently descriptive label to distinguish us from the rest.

 

“How can you have a religion without deities?”

 

Many people, especially those who were raised only knowing Christianity, erroneously think that theism is a necessary requirement for religion.  Non-theistic religions however do exist, and Satanism is hardly the only non-theistic religion in the world.  You can find atheists who may be practitioners of Theravada Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism, Scientology, the Raelian Movement, Humanistic Judaism, Samkhya Hinduism, or some other non-theistic religion.  Other atheists may be part of a religious group that accepts both theists and atheists, such as the Unitarian Universalist church. 

Some people may try to rationalize these examples away by claiming, “Those are philosophies, not religions”.  No, they’re religions.  While all religions include some form of philosophy, philosophies themselves do not have all of the additional components of a religion, such as ceremony, symbolism, and dogma.  Once again, theism isn’t an absolute requirement for religion, and even theistic religions have more components than just theism and philosophy.


Quite often, this bogus “Those are philosophies, not religions!” argument is used by people who feel an emotional need to believe religion and theism are inseparable. This includes not only some devout theistic religionists, but many atheists as well. It seems that many atheists, in their effort to distance themselves from “religion”, end up erroneously equating the term “religion” with theism.  Granted, the word “religion” often gets carelessly used as a synonym for “theism” or “Christianity”.  Sometimes a person raised under Christianity, or otherwise appalled by it, finds a comforting home in the atheist collective. In which case, the person may very well come to mistakenly think of “atheism” as an entity that’s a rival to Christanity, perhaps complete with its own denominations.  Which brings us to the next misconception.

 

“Satanism is a type of atheism. Right?”

 

Again, atheism is in itself just a response to one claim, namely the claim of deities existing. It’s not a religion, let alone with denominations.  So it would be much more accurate to say that atheism is just one of many “isms” that Satanism happens to contain.  Satanism is therefore no more a “type of atheism” than it is a type of Epicureanism, type of individualism, or type of meritocracy.

 

“How can you be an atheist if you believe in magick?”

 

This question is loaded in several ways. One easy answer is that the supernatural, occult notion of “magick” (which is not what Satanists believe; more on this in a moment) is itself not a deity.  Since the one and only requirement for being an atheist is not believing in a deity, it’s entirely possible for somebody to believe in some sort of supernatural idea, so long as that supernatural thing in question is not a deity.  There are for example atheists who, despite not believing in the existence of deities, do in fact believe in things such as ghosts, water dowsing, or clairvoyance. Such atheists may be rare, but they do exist.

The real problem with this question however is it presumes Satanists “believe in magick” in the first place, meaning that we believe in the sort of wieldable, supernatural power seen in occult lore.  In short, we don’t.  Just as Satanists use Satan as a constructive emotional-driving metaphor, Satanists do the same with “magic”.  Satanists incorporate ritual knowingly as a psychological and theatrical, psychodramatic tool which still fits in with Satanism’s materialistic worldview.  While a full explanation of the practice is well beyond the scope of this essay, a detailed discussion on this topic can be heard on Demented1’s “Greater Magic with special guest Magister Bill M.” discussion and its follow-up “part 2” episode, both available on YouTube.

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Finally, we get to the last set of ideas based on misconceptions, starting with this line:

 

“Well I’m a Satanist but I can’t be an atheist, because to be an atheist you have to believe with absolute certainty that God doesn’t exist. Therefore, I’m an agnostic.”

 

As already explained, this is not what “atheism” or “agnosticism” mean.  The only requirement for being an atheist is simply not having a belief in the existence of any deities.  Even if you don’t like the term “atheist” or feel that you have little in common with the “atheist community” at large, if you fit the definition, then you’re still an atheist.  You may additionally happen to assert that the existence of deities is ultimately unknown and unknowable, which would additionally make you an agnostic.  But agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive.

 

“I’m a Satanist, but that makes me an I-theist, which means I believe in the existence of a deity (me) and thus can’t be an atheist.”

 

Since the Satanist views oneself as one’s own “god”, the term “I-theist” is certainly a valid one for Satanists. Most atheists however do not take this philosophical position. Regardless, when a Satanist says “I am my own god”, this is just a symbolic way of saying, “I am the one who ultimately matters the most in my life;  I am the one who’s ultimately responsible for my own fate; I am the one I am to revere and respect”, and other such roles which humans have traditionally invented deities to play.  So saying “I am my own god” in this context is obviously not a declaration of yourself having supernatural powers, immortality, or invincibility.  As “I-theists” are only viewing themselves as deities in the strictest symbolic sense, it follows that I-theists still don’t believe in an actual deity in the understood sense, thus for all practical purposes of conversation are still atheists.

On a side note, the notion that omnipotence is a requirement for being a deity is easily disproved when looking at mythology.  Almost all stories from mythology are precisely about gods running into problems and limitations, and even suffering through them. 

 

“Anton LaVey was a deist and The Satanic Bible teaches deism (or even theism), then after he died the Church of Satan threw that out and started teaching atheism.”

 

This is a silly claim that I’ve seen on more than one occasion.  In fact, I only ever seem to hear it from people desperately trying to push the tiresome narrative that the Church of Satan used to embrace belief X but now believes in opposing belief Y, and therefore you should join this person’s rival “Satanic organization” who believes X.  Typically the proposed organization is nothing more than a website or social media page.

 

For starters, there are numerous, well-documented examples of Anton LaVey’s stating his own non-theistic worldview, which is also consistent with The Satanic Bible. LaVey also did not even eschew the term “atheist” itself, as noted in an interview by Eugene S. Robinson where LaVey states “Look, I’m an atheist. [...] Satan is symbolically representative for us.” I suppose the current High Priest Peter H. Gilmore uses the word “atheism” more freely than Anton LaVey ever did, but that’s true of people today in general compared to earlier generations.

 

Deism, which is essentially the belief that there’s a “God” who created the universe but plays no role in human affairs, admittedly may seem compatible with Satanism. This is because the entire notion of cosmic origins, deity or no deity, is ultimately irrelevant to the principles of Satanism.  But again, as The Satanic Bible points out early on, “Man has always created his gods, rather than his gods creating him.”, further explaining that whether one chooses to call the perceived balancing force of nature “God” (deism) or “by no name at all” (atheism), in either case it “is far too impersonal to care about the happiness or misery of flesh-and-blood creatures on this ball of dirt upon which we live [...] The Satanist realizes that man, and the action and reaction of the universe, is responsible for everything, and doesn’t mislead himself into thinking that someone cares.”  So in practice, both the deist and the atheist live their respective lives the same: without a belief in a deity who actually cares and affects them. Whatever disagreements a deist and an atheist may have about the origins of the universe are thus simply irrelevant to the practice of Satanism. 

 

Rather than trying to explain all of the above philosophical intricacies to today’s journalists (who are often willfully clueless, deal mostly in just soundbites, and falsely presume Satanists are devil worshipers), we find it much more effective to use the simplified two-word response of, “We’re atheists”. 

 

Summary


The term “atheism” describes nothing more than not having a belief in the existence of deity. As Satanists do not believe in deities, this means Satanists are atheists.

Satanism does use Satan as a symbol for concepts like carnal nature, and view the self symbolically as one’s own “God”, but both of these notions are still understood and used as metaphors, not a belief in any deities in the actual supernatural sense. In addition to being atheists however, Satanists are adherents of Satanism, an example of one of the world’s several non-theistic religions. Also, we Satanists do not “secretly” believe in a literal Satan, nor see any reason to.

Many nontheistic religions, including Satanism, see the notion of cosmic origins to be ultimately irrelevant to the practice of that nontheistic religion. While the doctrines of Satanism would be in conflict with belief in a personal deity (a god who answers prayers, has special demands on humans, is revered, etc.) it is technically possible for a Satanist to hold a belief in a noninteractive, uncaring deity who plays no role in human affairs (i.e. deism). But this position would be quite rare, and more importantly indistinguishable from the general atheist view of, “I don’t believe in a god who affects my life”. Thus it is simple and accurate enough to say, “Satanists are atheists”.

 

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[And that is going to do it for this episode of Satansplain. Satanism and atheism. A topic that SHOULD be simple enough to understand, and yet, seems to warrant a little ‘splaining, from Satansplain. Thanks for listening. HS.]

 

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Satansplain 095 - Christian Conspiracy Theorist Prank Call, "When Words Collide"

With Satanists interacting with Satanists in this day and age of internet tribalism, we'll take a look at the essay "When Words Collide" by Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore. Also answering listener mail about lesser and greater magic, plus Magister Bill's prank call recording on a Christian conspiracy theorist's talk show.

Bill prank calls a conspiracy theorist's show

3 minutes to explain the backstory; 2 minutes of the call. Enjoy:

Satansplain 093 - "Of Parties and Party"

Hear answers to listener mail on a variety of topics, including Satanic ritual, translations of Satanic works, Church of Satan membership, expectations on meeting fellow Satanists, and finishing with a related essay, "On Parties and Party".

https://satansplain.com/episodes/satansplain-093-listener-mail-on-parties-and-party/

Messages from "The Mosque of Satan"
Responding to Pseudo-Satanic Ignorance

As mentioned in the 3-part "No, Dummy, It’s Not Like Catholics Vs. Protestants" episode series of Satansplain, there have been countless pseudo-Satanic groups over the years, quite often with names in the form of "[House of worship] of [evil deity]". I'm sure I talked about the typical sort of person who feels the need to make these pointless things and why. Well, I'd like to share an exchange I had with somebody who messaged me recently.

Message #1

Hi I am founder of the Mosque of Satan and have recently got round to reading your Satanic Bible (after about 10 yrs since first downloading it): in order to compare any of our differences or similarities.

My particular interest was in the language used for the Enochian Keys - since in our Mosque of Satan we have what I have since come to believe may actually be the Atlantean language. Whether it actually is or Not is irrelevant, nonetheless I have gone through step-by-step in my most recent Esoteric-Themed Podcast on YouTube [uploaded in 2022]; exactly how I arrived at each letter or syllable (transposing 2 chakras down via use of chakra vowel-sounds and consonants, in order to reach the feminine inversion [of originally masculine Recitation]).

However No such explanation is given with your Enochian Keys.

Are we really expected to believe that someone heard voices, then jotted down what these revealed ?

(By the way I am recent a subscriber to your 'Satansplain' channel)

Was there enough here to make me roll me eyes? Absolutely. But tried giving a response more along the polite lines.

Bill's Reply #1

Hello Devi,

I've never heard of the YouTube channel "Mosque of Satan", and can't seem to find it or any info on it.

Anyway, there is no authorized electronic version of The Satanic Bible (the foundational text of Satanism), so whatever version you "downloaded" a decade ago is an illegal bootleg. So I don't know if it's an accurate copy or says something the book doesn't actually say. You can read more about that in my essay here: https://churchofsatan.com/free-satanic-bible-is-unsatanic/

As for somebody "hearing voices and jotting things down", well that sounds like what practically any mystic or founder of any theistic religion has done. Satanism is a non-theistic religion, and as a Satanist I know that notions of entities like demons or gods are fictional creations of humans. I believe the same about "Atlanteans", since there is no real evidence of a place called "Atlantis". Regardless, as The Satanic Bible explicitly states in its introduction to the keys, the Keys do trace back to what was published by John Dee and Edward Kelley, which went through translations by different groups over the years. As The Satanic Bible states, what is presented is "an archaic but Satanically correct unvarnishing of the translation employed by the Order of the Golden Dawn in the late Nineteenth Century". So, LaVey took what the Golden Dawn had used then, and offers a more Satanically moving translation that better works within the psychodramatic context of Satanic ritual. Likewise, "The barbaric tonal qualities of this language give it a truly magical effect which cannot be described."

As stated earlier in The Satanic Bible, regarding the esoteric nature of the original Catholic mass in Latin, and how its English translation removed that esoteric quality to it, "It is much simpler to obtain an emotional reaction using words and phrases that cannot be understood than it is with statements which even the simplest mind will question when hearing them in an understandable language." Thus I see no reason why a Satanist would need some sort of letter-by-letter translation of Enochian.

LaVey also points out in the following essay, "I find most annoying the person who demands a word-for-word translation of the Keys, not realizing they are virtually like Pigeon English in their lack of grammatical nuance and literary style. If they were to be translated literally, you may be assured that the chanter would sound most inarticulate!"

https://churchofsatan.com/enochian-pronunciation-guide/

Message #2 and Bill's reply

Here was the reply I got back:

I recall downloading it from the actual Church of Satan website !

But my 'Mosque of Satan' is Not traceable via Google search for some reason, despite that 2022 podcast actually being CALLED 'Mosque of Satan' (since having changed it to 'Nejraïg Of Satan' to avoid people of a low intelligence clicking on it). Here's a direct link to that most recent podcast, by the way:

... a video on my channel, the channel of which would have been accessible via link on [this]; my Facebk profile. (Also having 'Satanic-Themed' playlist among channel sections on my homepage).

But after sending my initial message earlier on, I was reminded of the Roman Catholics having taught the prophet Muhammad [H.A.E] techniques for the invoking of Divine Revelation - and similarly, our friend John Dee (undoubtedly a Freemason or something); possibly having access to similar such techniques.

But I far from doubt in the power of these keys - my particular interest being Key 7 (despite having similar Satanic 'Zikhr' techniques of our own)

At this point, I know I could have taken the harsh road. It's not like Satanism is ecumenical. Alas, I decided to just correct the more obvious mistake. I also figured, "Well, Satanism certainly doesn't have a monopoly on the Enochian Keys. If some mystic likes the Enochian keys for some mystic reasons, so be it." So here was my reply:

The official Church of Satan website has never made The Satanic Bible available for a free download. As I explained in the article, there are very good reasons why we'd never do that. Maybe you got it from fake site claiming to be the COS; those things show up from time to time.

Anyway, glad to hear that you enjoy the Keys. I use the ones from The Satanic Bible, and I do find the Enochian sound very moving.

I thought that maybe this pseudo-Satanist might then be off on their merry way. Nah. The onslaught of passive-aggressive, solipsistic lunacy came next.

Message #3: Oh boy, the "J" accusation

I've put the stupidest part in boldface.

The date I downloaded was August 2015 (with your memo being dated 2014).

But I was Not asking for a word-by-word definition [with the Enochian Keys]; since a translation has already been included, which is sufficient. What I was asking was the truth on how each letter & syllable was arrived at.

And have since learned via further research that the writers of these keys may have been attempting to decipher the then-thought-to be-lost Book of Enoch (which as we know today, can be found preserved in the Ethiopian Orthodox): what seems to be a Judaic take on the Book of Revelations.

Could it therefore be that your organisation is really Judaic and only posing as Satanic for purposes of deception ?

Or are your people merely comfortable operating around Jews (about as comfortable as I would feel operating around Muslims or Rastas): perhaps due to some Judaic ancestry ?

I personally find Jews rather unsettling: Judaism being deemed first of the patriarchal religions which took over from the Goddess Matrilinear in 2600BCE for the purposes of inverting World view at the time, towards the patriarchal.

Jah / Yah also deemed as 'fallen' under Satanism; us also going by the maxim / adage "the fallen always wins" !

Which leads me to the point of a major difference that seems to exist between us: ie. your organisation seeming to portray Satan in the masculine !

(Tho again, this could also be deception).

But the truth is that all religions began in the East and the origin of the word 'Satan' is pre-vedic term for Shakti: having been derived from vowel-sound and consonant of 6th main chakra [the most potently feminine chakra].

Moreover in Islam; when someone has been deemed or labelled 'Satanic': this usually implies that that individual displays traits or attributes which are feminine.

I therefore conclude that in proper Satanism we have sworn allegiance to the Goddess Lucifer Satana जीख्रूङ्गेय् ईएय्खेयेय्शेय् [Most High Most Exalted]; Goddess Of Life And True Creatrix Of The Entire Universe (via the same pledge / initiation given under my Satanic Themed playlist)

And then I get another message when I thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous:

By the way, only Islam can have 'Satan' as fallen - a weak point for the other two main religions (who don't know the name of their own fallen) !

But I tell you that for Christians it is 'Allah' (derived from vowel-sound and consonant of the most powerfully male chakra)

And in your organisation's portrayal of 'Satan' as masculine, perhaps indicating that if Not Jews; then you are perhaps Christians [?]

Where to Begin?

With so much profound ignorance and stupidity here, it's hard to know where to begin replying. Let's break each part down one at a time:

"The date I downloaded was August 2015 (with your memo being dated 2014)."

Of course, the date he illegally downloaded The Satanic Bible and the date of my article doesn’t change the fact that he still illegally downloaded it, never mind the fact he's basing his beliefs on something which Satanism clearly isn't. But, more on that later.

"What I was asking was the truth on how each letter & syllable was arrived at."

I have no idea what sort of process Dee & Kelley may have used to construct the Enochian. As a Satanist, I don't see why I would care. The keys’ occult mystique gives them a certain novelty, which combined with their tonal quality, and their themes varied and vague enough to cover a variety of different ritual themes, simply make them good for the psychodrama of Satanic ritual. I don't have a problem with people who are curious and want to pursue more about their origins, but I don't see it as applicable to Satanism.

And now for the insanely stupid line

"Could it therefore be that your organisation is really Judaic and only posing as Satanic for purposes of deception ?"

This question is more loaded than Mel Gibson at a keg party. It's hard to know where to begin. Granted, retarded antisemites like Devi show up to troll the Church of Satan all the time, though I never saw somebody do it in such an embarrassingly disconnected and passive-aggressive way.

The short answer to the question is, of course, "No". Satanism is Satanism, and not Judaism, which is a fundamentally different religion. One has to be profoundly ignorant to not see this.

For the longer answer, let's try to logically break down the underlying premises and conclusions built into this answer:

  • Premise #1: The Book of Enoch is part of the religion of Judaism.
  • Premise #2: Dee & Kelley somehow derived their letters and symbols for Enochian and in turn the Enochian Keys from the Book of Enoch.
  • Premise #3: Some variant of the Enochian Keys was later used by the Golden Dawn, and some variant on that is used in The Satanic Bible, the main text of the Church of Satan.
  • Premise #4: Anybody who’d utilize the Enochian Keys must believe in something about them mystically (the angels, the speaking animals, etc.).
  • CONCLUSION #1: Therefore, the Church of Satan’s belief system is based on Judaism.
  • Premise #5:  It’s better for public relations to be seen as explicitly Satanic instead of being seen as Jewish.
  • Premise #6: The Church of Satan has an interest in saying and teaching the precise opposite of what it allegedly secretly believes, and turning away people who express beliefs of what they allegedly secretly believe as an organization. (We could further break this down into other premises, but it's still a necessary part of the argument within Devi's rhetorical question.)
  • CONCLUSION #2: Therefore, the Church of Satan secretly embraces Judaism and is only pretending to be Satanists to trick people.

And now let's examine them:

  • Premise #1 is itself already quite a stretch. The Book of Enoch is considered non-canonical in Judaism and in conflict with the Torah. There may be some weirder sects of Judaism or Christianity which do accept the book, but they're the exceptions, not the rule.
  • Premise #2 is still questionable. Nobody seems to really know how Dee & Kelley arrived at the Enochian “language” and the Keys.
  • Premise #3: This one is true; we do have some variant of the Enochian Keys in The Satanic Bible.  However...
  • Premise #4 is simply incorrect. As already explained, Satanism is a strictly non-theistic religion, and the Enochian Keys are only used in Satanism within the theatrical setting of ritual, which is conducted as psychodrama.
  • On top of all this, we also see from The Satanic Bible’s “Infernal Names” and The Satanic Bible’s follow-up book (The Satanic Rituals) that Satanism utilizes mythology from all sorts of sources, hardly just Judeo-Christian. Therefore, Conclusion #1 is a complete non sequitur. Never mind the fact that by Devi's own logic, he's practicing Judaism himself by being an Enochian fan.
  • Premise #5 is such a joke that I can't believe it even needs addressing, And yet, we see this one all the time from (and exclusively from) only the most disconnected, rabid antisemites. Obviously, as a Satanist I have no objection to rejecting Judaism itself. As Judaism is a spiritual religion, and we Satanists are anti-spiritual, we do reject Judaism. But it takes a profound amount of ignorance to think that by making up some connection between Satanists and Jews, one has somehow smeared Satanists. Satanism is an explicitly adversarial religion. As the name shows, we’re not looking for mass approval. The Church of Satan does rightfully correct misinformation about Satanism, but we are not some kind of anti-defamation league, as again that would be inapplicable to an explicitly adversarial religion (Satanism). 
  • And of course, Premise #6 is something which conspiracy theorists always seem too stupid to consider as being false. If my beliefs were “secretly” Jewish mysticism, then I'd see no point in being secretive about that; I would just join some Kabbalah groups one who teaches things like that, which they already do right in the open. Alas, I am a Satanist, so that’s not what I believe. What Satanists believe is what you see explicitly written in The Satanic Bible, and again, that sure isn't Judaism.
  • This of course makes Conclusion #2 a complete non sequitur as well.

So to recap:

  • The Book of Enoch is an ancient Hebrew writing credited to the character of Enoch from the Old Testament, and as it talks about angels, demons, apocalyptic stuff with a messiah, and other supernatural things, we Satanists (being atheists) reject that. As The Satanic Bible states, Satanism is a religion of the carnal, not the spiritual, and gods are man-made. This stance of ours would still be the same even if the Book of Enoch was considered canonical by Judaism or Christianity, or if Dee & Kelley really somehow got their Enochian language by playing around with the Book of Enoch.
  • The re-re-re-translation of the Enochian Keys included in The Satanic Bible are there for psychodramatic purposes only. And of course, the notion that the Church of Satan is secretly “Judaic” and not Satanic is absurd, given that our beliefs are completely antithetical to Judaism (as well as the other spiritual religions of the world), and that publicly calling “The Church of Satan” is quite obviously not a P.R. move to “deceptively” hide something, let alone some other religion we don’t believe in like Judaism, which already gets an overwhelming amount of sympathy in the public in the first place.

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"Or are your people merely comfortable operating around Jews (about as comfortable as I would feel operating around Muslims or Rastas): perhaps due to some Judaic ancestry ?"

What does “comfortable operating around” really mean here? Satanism is not an evangelical religion, and most Satanists are fine with keeping their religion private. The fact that a Jew is less likely to fly off the handle upon hearing the word “Satanist” than a Christian might is irrelevant. Satanists go about their day "operating around" non-Satanists all the time.

As for “Judaic ancestry”, this doesn't make any sense either. First, as already shown, one would have to be profoundly ignorant to think that Satanism has theological roots in Judaism. A simple look at the Old Testament and The Satanic Bible show that the two religions (Satanism and Judaism) are fundamentally incompatible. If by “ancestry” Devi means Jewish ethnicity, then the question makes even less sense. An overwhelming number of members of the Church of Satan, just like an overwhelming number of people in the world in general, have no Jewish ethnicity. Ethnicity has nothing to do with whether two religions are compatible anyway.

"I personally find Jews rather unsettling:”

I have to wonder if Devi has ever met any Jews in person. I find that people desperate to link us to Jews have typically not. I also get the impression that Devi is from the UK and seems particularly keen on being friendly with Muslims (even though Islam is just as antithetical to Satanism as Judaism or Christianity is). Maybe the antisemitism is in line with that.

“Judaism being deemed first of the patriarchal religions which took over from the Goddess Matrilinear in 2600BCE for the purposes of inverting World view at the time, towards the patriarchal.”

Judaism was obviously the first of the three Abrahamic religions, but I'm not a feminist and thus don't view the world in terms of “patriarchy”. Even so, some feminists believe the Greek and Roman pagan religions were "patriarchal".

“Which leads me to the point of a major difference that seems to exist between us: ie. your organisation seeming to portray Satan in the masculine !”

This is another stupid line which needs some unpacking. First of all, this sort of solipsism we see with some pseudo-Satanists is off the charts, particularly from people who 1) don't really bother to learn what Satanism actually is, 2) somehow feel the need to create a new "Satanic organization", and 3) then approach us as if they're somehow equal in stature to the Church of Satan and ready for some sort of ecumenical discussion.

The Church of Satan was the first in history to establish an actual codified religion calling itself Satanism. The major difference between Devi and myself is that I am a Satanist, whereas Devi seems some mystic with more than one screw loose. Regardless, "Satan" in the zeitgeist is typically a male character, and we may often metaphorically refer to Satan as such. But to point once again to The Infernal Names (which are in the book that Devi illegally downloaded but never got around to reading until after calling some social media content "The Mosque of Satan") incorporate both masculine and feminine portrayals. Never mind the fact that a naked woman serves as the altar for Satanic group rituals.

“(Tho again, this could also be deception).”

No, it's Devi jumping to erroneous conclusions based on false premises again.

“But the truth is that all religions began in the East”

This is not really true, either. Cultures all over the world ended up developing some kind of religion or another. Religion is not limited to the Abrahamic ones.

“and the origin of the word 'Satan' is pre-vedic term for Shakti:”

This is another false bit of trivia. The word "Satan" comes from Hebrew and means “adversary”. Hebrew is an Afro-Asiatic language whereas Sanskrit is Indo-European. So despite sharing some superficial consonant sounds, there is no evidence that the two words share the same etymological origins.

“Moreover in Islam; when someone has been deemed or labelled 'Satanic': this usually implies that that individual displays traits or attributes which are feminine.”

Yes, Muslims say lots of stupid shit. There have also been lots of lingual relations of “left” to the feminine or “sinister”, and so on. Which is why the next part makes even less sense:

“I therefore conclude that in proper Satanism we have sworn allegiance to the Goddess Lucifer Satana” [...] By the way, only Islam can have 'Satan' as fallen - a weak point for the other two main religions (who don't know the name of their own fallen) !"

So in an effort to get away from the "patriarchal" religion of Judaism, Devi looks to Islam, a religion in which he believes women are associated with Satan, while simultaneously priding himself in getting along with Muslims. And of course calls it all "proper Satanism" when it's not Satanism. Also, the claim that "only Islam" can claim certain views of "Satan" is unfounded and irrelevant. I'm a Satanist, not a Muslim.

"But I tell you that for Christians it is 'Allah' (derived from vowel-sound and consonant of the most powerfully male chakra)"

And here we go again with the woo factor. Just because you examine origins of specific words and trace them back (correctly or incorrectly) to specific genders or old religions, does not mean that people using those words are somehow theologically tied to those alleged origins. The word "Monday" has its origins in "moon day", but that doesn't mean The Bangles song Manic Monday is a pagan moon goddess hymn.

"And in your organisation's portrayal of 'Satan' as masculine, perhaps indicating that if Not Jews; then you are perhaps Christians [?]"

Of course not, as only a complete delusional and clueless retard would believe that. Thanks for playing!

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Irving Berlin, "Stay Down Here Where You Belong" (1918)

"The frantic little Christian believes heavy metal is dangerous because it is a convenient target for his hysteria. [...] but what about the Satanic music of Liszt, Wagner, Saint-Saens, Beethoven, Mussorgsky, Paganini, Mendelssohn? Perhaps warning stickers are in order for the works of Cole Porter, Rogers and Hammerstein, Jerome Kern, and Irving Berlin, whose 'Stay Down Here Where You Belong' features a good guy Devil proclaiming, 'You'll find more hate up there than you will down below.' "


- Anton LaVey, The Devil's Notebook

I enjoy performing at open mics, as I see them as a time of shameless self-indulgence in performing the music I feel like performing that day. At the same time, there's still the maxim of "know your audience". Also, I may go to an open mic not knowing what I'll end up playing that night, and sometimes hearing a song from another performer might remind me of something in my repertoire and make me want to play it.

Last night, I was at a local open mic where some older hippies were doing 1960s anti-war songs in their set. On my turn on the stage, I said, "I have an anti-war song from 1918 -- World War One." I'm proud to say it went over very well.

As anybody who's read the appendix of We Are Satanists (or as it was titled in its initial edition, Church of Satan) knows, there is no shortage of Satan songs from the early 1900s. And I don't mean preachy songs warning about Satan, but often songs for example cheering Satan on to take away Kaiser Wilhelm. I've researched and performed a number of these songs myself, including at the Black House for the Church of Satan's 50th anniversary.

Irving Berlin was a composer known for many American classics such as Puttin' On The Ritz, White Christmas, and God Bless America, but he wrote plenty of devil songs, too. Stay Down Where You Belong is one of them. It was a favorite of Groucho Marx, who once performed it on The Dick Cavett show, as well as on his double live album recorded in Carnegie Hall in his final years, An Evening With Groucho. Tiny Tim recorded his own psychadelic rendition. Although Groucho Marx never seemed to sing the song beyond the first verse, his Carnegie Hall version is still my favorite.




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Commies and Vampires and Satanists, Oh My!

Commies and vampires and Satanists, oh my!  I’ll be answering some questions from listeners about Satanism and communism, as well as questions about Temple of the Vampire. And in answering these, first explaining the difference between Church of Satan policy, and personal opinions of Church of Satan members. Also, a reminder that explaining what Satanism is and isn’t, is NOT the same thing as telling you how to live your life.

 

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Magister Bill M. here with Satansplain. When it comes to the sub-topics that I talk about on this show, or answering the questions I get from listeners, I find that sometimes there’s both a short answer and a long answer. And, time permitting, I think it’s good to present both. It’s good to have a short answer that answers the question directly. But sometimes that short answer can be easily misinterpreted, or perhaps it does answer the question, but the answer is so short that it brings up MORE questions than it answers. So…trying to find that balance between being direct and being thorough is a challenge I find myself having when I create new episodes of Satansplain. It can be a lot to take in, so I also try to make it all easier to take in by splitting parts into chapters at certain timestamps, and putting a break in between, and all that. So, as with every Satansplain episode, feel free to skip around, but I do think you’ll get more out of this episode if you give it at least one full listen from beginning to end.

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